How to not run a magazine...
Nov. 4th, 2010 11:45 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
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wildeagain, via @neilhimself on Twitter:
If someone steals your writing, remember to be grateful!
I can't even begin to explain the stoopid.
But on reflection, I think I've narrowed the problem to two basic points, which I think apply equally to all forms of plagiarism and copyright violation on the internet, and also to all the wankery that accompanies plagiarism of fanfiction.
If you follow the link above, you'll discover that the editor of the magazine that lifted theilladore's material admitted it was plagiarism, but also suggested that the writer didn't have any right to compensation, because the everything on the web is in the public domain.
Obviously, this person is having a serious *headdesk* moment, but this notion that the internet is public domain and that content on the internet is freely available to everyone is common and sadly, widespread.
The problem is two-fold, and has to do with our views on (a) property ownership and (b) cost.
(a) All our ideas about property ownership come from the laws made in the Middle Ages (and still good today) with respect to real property. The central aspect of private ownership of property is the right to exclude others. If I have a large parcel of land and I build a fence around it, everyone understands exactly what that means, You would not bat an eyelid if I expected some sort of compensation (monetary or otherwise) in exchange for my agreement to let you use the parcel of land in some limited way. Basically, I license you to use my land.
Now if the land is a big meadow and I don't bother to put a fence around it, you might be within your rights believing it to be public property. But then, just as you're planning your big outdoor cocktail party, you notice a tiny sign at the other end of the meadow that reads "Private Property. No Trespassing." Again, everyone knows exactly what this means. You now have options: you can ignore the sign, pretend it's public property, and risk breaking the law, you can take your party elsewhere, or you can get me to give you a license to use the place.
I liken content that's published and made freely available on the internet to that meadow. Yes, it's open, it's awesome, it's very tempting. But someone still owns it, and you can't just use the content without permission.
(b) When we have to pay for the right to use something, we're more likely to recognize ownership. This is a slightly more esoteric concept, but it works like this. Back in the Dark Ages, when the only way to acquire quality music was to buy a CD, almost everyone appreciated the cost associated with producing the content. Someone had to manufacture the CD, someone had to record music on it, someone had to design the cover art, and a fourth person had to print and package it. Everyone who bought a CD knew also that a big fraction of the price of the CD was the "copyright fee", for lack of a better word. That is, the music belonged to someone else, and the price you paid was for the license to be able to listen to it whenever you wanted, as often as you wanted.
Now consider that instead of putting out a CD in a store, a musician makes the track available to you for download on the internet, for absolutely no charge. You can listen to it whenever you want, as often as you want. Only this time, there's no cost associated with it. Does everyone still appreciate that the music actually belongs to someone else, and that your download was just a license to listen to the music? I think no, because when the cost of acquiring the license drops down to zero, the link to ownership is lost. Everyone who downloads the track thinks they have the right to do whatever they want with the music, sample it, rework it, even distribute it, completely without the permission of the owner. It's still stealing, but nobody realizes it.
This is what's happening on the internet, everyday and everywhere. A magazine editor finds an interesting recipe online, and assumes that it's freely available for reprint, despite the fact that the "meadow" has a "no trespass" sign. The editor is then stunned to discover the owner of the "meadow" wants to be compensated.
The 12-year who downloads music illegally doesn't see it as stealing. It's out there, it's there for free, what do you mean I can't just take it?! Well, I can't just come into your house and steal your XBox, even though you left the door open and it was right there, can I?
*rolls eyes*
ETA: Now with added feedback and press from The Guardian. Internet firestorm FTW!
Predictably, the Guardian excerpt includes content from someone pointing out "the irony" of the newspaper "lifting" content fromilladore for the article. Except that excerpting with credit is not "lifting" and excerpting for the express purpose of reporting and offering commentary is NOT copyright infringement. FAIL!
wildeagain, via @neilhimself on Twitter: If someone steals your writing, remember to be grateful!
I can't even begin to explain the stoopid.
But on reflection, I think I've narrowed the problem to two basic points, which I think apply equally to all forms of plagiarism and copyright violation on the internet, and also to all the wankery that accompanies plagiarism of fanfiction.
If you follow the link above, you'll discover that the editor of the magazine that lifted the
illadore's material admitted it was plagiarism, but also suggested that the writer didn't have any right to compensation, because the everything on the web is in the public domain. Obviously, this person is having a serious *headdesk* moment, but this notion that the internet is public domain and that content on the internet is freely available to everyone is common and sadly, widespread.
The problem is two-fold, and has to do with our views on (a) property ownership and (b) cost.
(a) All our ideas about property ownership come from the laws made in the Middle Ages (and still good today) with respect to real property. The central aspect of private ownership of property is the right to exclude others. If I have a large parcel of land and I build a fence around it, everyone understands exactly what that means, You would not bat an eyelid if I expected some sort of compensation (monetary or otherwise) in exchange for my agreement to let you use the parcel of land in some limited way. Basically, I license you to use my land.
Now if the land is a big meadow and I don't bother to put a fence around it, you might be within your rights believing it to be public property. But then, just as you're planning your big outdoor cocktail party, you notice a tiny sign at the other end of the meadow that reads "Private Property. No Trespassing." Again, everyone knows exactly what this means. You now have options: you can ignore the sign, pretend it's public property, and risk breaking the law, you can take your party elsewhere, or you can get me to give you a license to use the place.
I liken content that's published and made freely available on the internet to that meadow. Yes, it's open, it's awesome, it's very tempting. But someone still owns it, and you can't just use the content without permission.
(b) When we have to pay for the right to use something, we're more likely to recognize ownership. This is a slightly more esoteric concept, but it works like this. Back in the Dark Ages, when the only way to acquire quality music was to buy a CD, almost everyone appreciated the cost associated with producing the content. Someone had to manufacture the CD, someone had to record music on it, someone had to design the cover art, and a fourth person had to print and package it. Everyone who bought a CD knew also that a big fraction of the price of the CD was the "copyright fee", for lack of a better word. That is, the music belonged to someone else, and the price you paid was for the license to be able to listen to it whenever you wanted, as often as you wanted.
Now consider that instead of putting out a CD in a store, a musician makes the track available to you for download on the internet, for absolutely no charge. You can listen to it whenever you want, as often as you want. Only this time, there's no cost associated with it. Does everyone still appreciate that the music actually belongs to someone else, and that your download was just a license to listen to the music? I think no, because when the cost of acquiring the license drops down to zero, the link to ownership is lost. Everyone who downloads the track thinks they have the right to do whatever they want with the music, sample it, rework it, even distribute it, completely without the permission of the owner. It's still stealing, but nobody realizes it.
This is what's happening on the internet, everyday and everywhere. A magazine editor finds an interesting recipe online, and assumes that it's freely available for reprint, despite the fact that the "meadow" has a "no trespass" sign. The editor is then stunned to discover the owner of the "meadow" wants to be compensated.
The 12-year who downloads music illegally doesn't see it as stealing. It's out there, it's there for free, what do you mean I can't just take it?! Well, I can't just come into your house and steal your XBox, even though you left the door open and it was right there, can I?
*rolls eyes*
ETA: Now with added feedback and press from The Guardian. Internet firestorm FTW!
Predictably, the Guardian excerpt includes content from someone pointing out "the irony" of the newspaper "lifting" content from
illadore for the article. Except that excerpting with credit is not "lifting" and excerpting for the express purpose of reporting and offering commentary is NOT copyright infringement. FAIL!![[identity profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/openid.png){kind=small}
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Date: 2010-11-04 05:32 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2010-11-04 05:36 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 06:04 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 05:43 pm (UTC)If only writers could embed a virus that 'sploded on folks who tried to rip of their stuff...
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 06:05 pm (UTC)Trufax indeed. I tried to explain in a bit more detail above, actually...
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 06:16 pm (UTC)Now that the web is so open and such a wellspring of content, I'm surprised there aren't MORE protections in place. Also surprising is that there are so many STOOPID PEOPLE who assume that all this technology means that everything is up for grabs, just because it's possible to copy and paste things.
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 06:19 pm (UTC)On the other hand, I'm so angry at the thought of clicking the "like" button I may just skip it.
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 06:24 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 06:20 pm (UTC)The Creative Commons thing is a really good licensing format too, IMO, especially for pictures. There are a lot of photographs on Google Images, for example, that obviously belong to someone, and yet, there's no copyright notice, no CC licenses, etc. *sigh*
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 05:51 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 06:06 pm (UTC)You know what's sad. This is apparently not even the first time Cooks Source has done this. Someone posted a recipe from the magazine that was lifted straight out of one of Paula Deen's cookbooks, but Deen isn't credited anywhere. *sigh*
OMG, MUCH LOVE FOR YOUR ICON! GEEKS UNITE!
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 06:15 pm (UTC)And yay, you got my icon! I'm thrilled to meet another math geek who runs in literary circles. :)
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 06:18 pm (UTC)I take the safe route on my own food blog. If it's a recipe I got from, say, the Food Network's website, I just provide a link and don't reproduce the recipe. I know food authors aren't as crazy as song writers and record companies, but I still want to avoid any legal hassle if I can, lol.
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Date: 2010-11-04 05:52 pm (UTC)Methinks she won't be running a magazine much longer. (How the Hell did she get put in that position in the first place? She can't even write a decent, professional response.)
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 06:07 pm (UTC)IKR? She basically just said "yeah, I totally stole your stuff, but omg, I made it better, you ungrateful wretch!" *rolls eyes*
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 05:53 pm (UTC)I am horrified that anyone over 16 would say that. Straight-up plagiarism like that is fairly easy to understand.
...and now I am going to paranoidly check everything I've ever published to the web...
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 06:13 pm (UTC)Interesting that you set an age limit on it. I went to a very interesting seminar recently, where the speaker mentioned that his 10-year old son sees absolutely nothing unethical or illegal about downloading a pirated version of a movie from the internet.
Again, I explained above why I think this happens online, but I'm not condoning the behavior at all.
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 06:28 pm (UTC)I definitely agree with your theory. I also think it has to do with the us vs. them attitude the masses have taken against big names. Famous people might not need the money; but people fail to see that the people who do the sound editing and the catering and stuff are just scraping by like the rest of us.
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 06:33 pm (UTC)There is a cost associated with bringing content to a wide audience, and I just wish the internet didn't make it so easy to ignore that.
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 06:32 pm (UTC)By that rationale, this magazine's editing makes it a derivative work and 'theirs'.
Ten minutes on Photoshop is not equivalent to a photographer, film company, crew and actors spending time and money creating a shot. [/end rant]
Whoops, sorry, my personal pet peeve was showing.
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 06:36 pm (UTC)I think there's a lot of "sampling" of images on the internet, but I can't think of a good way to fix the problem, outside of some sort of compulsory licensing mechanism.
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Date: 2010-11-04 07:15 pm (UTC)Like the image President Obama from the 2008 campaign; the 'Change' graphic. People have taken that and changed the words to comment on the President for a variety of reasons. That is fair use, they can use the copyrighted material.
What is interesting (to me). Is that the original photo that same graphic was created from was used without credit. from an AP photo. IIRC it is in the courts now. The artist in question is claiming it is a derivative work, which makes it his. I hope he loses, as he has made a lot of money off of someone else. The original photographer or copyright owner deserves at the least credit.
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Date: 2010-11-04 07:20 pm (UTC)It definitely is not a cut-and-dried area of the law, that's for sure. I think commentary (criticism, parody, etc) are what fair use is best known for, but there's an argument that a derivative work that transforms the original is also fair use. I won't go into that too much, because it's a view I have philosophical problems with, and I don't want anyone to sic the OTW on me, lol.
The artist in question is claiming it is a derivative work, which makes it his. I hope he loses, as he has made a lot of money off of someone else. The original photographer or copyright owner deserves at the least credit.
Totally agree as to the original photographer deserving credit.
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 08:08 pm (UTC)Pft. I do like it when the internet ROARS back, however :)
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-05 03:20 am (UTC)I think this is the most succinct description of today's events I've read. Many thanks. :)
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-04 08:25 pm (UTC)plagiarizerpublisher learning a lesson about copyright, she's also learning that being an overly entitled snot has negative consequences, even on the internet.(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-05 03:22 am (UTC)You know, if she hadn't been so snotty about it all, I might have cut her some slack, or made concessions for the fact that this is a small business, etc. But I'm sorry, you don't get to steal other people's materials, admit you did it and then tell them they ought to be grateful. That's just nonsense! </ rant>
(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-06 03:07 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-05 03:04 am (UTC)Seriously though, for shame to this reporter/publisher. That's just embarrassing to all the journo students who get "NO PLAGIARISM" screamed into their face in every single class - and then they come out of school and see this. *facepalm*
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Date: 2010-11-05 03:23 am (UTC)That's the other thing that bugs me. She talks about plagiarism like it happens all the time on college campuses. Um, don't students get kicked out for that sort of thing? WTF-ever.
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Date: 2010-11-05 03:10 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-05 03:23 am (UTC)To be fair, I think the internet rage is starting to go a bit overboard. I mean, they're saying really snide and personal stuff about the editor, and I don't know, but I find that sort of off-putting. *shrugs*
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Date: 2010-11-05 07:47 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-06 07:23 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2010-11-07 02:04 am (UTC)I haven't encountered too much internet plagiarism in my courses (that I know of!!), and I think that's partly thanks to the fact that linguistics is a somewhat esoteric subject and there just aren't that many analyses of, say, Inuktitut vowels floating around the web (yet!!). But I keep seeing studies that say that large proportions of current college students don't see anything wrong with grabbing information off the web and just using it in their own work with no attribution. *sigh* I hope school systems pick up on this and start teaching ethics for the digital age!